415. Mandela Effect, Parallel Realities & Quantum Jumps - Cynthia Sue Larson

Cynthia Larson

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Speaker: Welcome to soul elevation, guiding your ascension to new heights. I'm your host, Cara Goodwin. I'm so excited about this amazing episode with Cynthia Sue Larson, where we talk about parallel realities, quantum jumping, and the Mandela effect. Cynthia has such a gift in making complex topics in the groundbreaking field of quantum science, digestible and understandable.

And in this episode, she gives fascinating and provocative insights through her own personal experiences of shifting reality. And I share a little bit toward the end about my own activations through engaging with her work. Cynthia Sue Larson is the bestselling author of several books, including the Mandela effect and its society, quantum jumps, reality shifts, and high energy money.

Cynthia has a degree in physics from [00:01:00] UC Berkeley an MBA, a doctor of divinity, and a second degree black belt. Cynthia is founder of reality shifters. First president of the international Mandela effect conference, managing director of foundations of mind and creator and host of living the quantum dream podcast.

And she's been featured in numerous shows, including Gaia, the history channel, coast to coast AM and the BBC. Cynthia reminds us to ask in every situation, how good can it get? So we'll get into this amazing episode in just a moment. But first, I'm so excited to share about my book, Your Authentic Awakening, a guide to everyday spiritual living, which will be available this spring.

This book is designed to help you reach new heights of spiritual awakening. It's full of spiritual guidance, practical tools, and captivating personal stories. All working together to expand your consciousness and open your heart. Find out more on [00:02:00] KaraGoodwin. com, including how to get your own signed copy.

And now enjoy this episode.

Cynthia Larson: Well, welcome Cynthia. I'm so excited to have you here today. Thanks so much for being here.

Well, thank you, Kara, for inviting me, and I just love talking about these topics. And we had some emails back and forth that showed there's a lot to talk about here.

Yes. Your book. So I've read a couple of your books here. I've got quantum jumps here with me and then, um, I've got reality shifters upstairs and I've read the Mandela effect one as well. Um, And they're so activating and what is so fun is reading, you know, the Mandela effect, for example, your work on the Mandela effect, and then experiencing all these synchronicities that that have happened, and I'll go into those if we, if we get time, but super fun.

And I just. I implore people to look into your work and then just [00:03:00] notice what happens because it's like it opens up things within the mind to allow the experience, like more quantum experiences. So what a gift. That's amazing.

Thank you. I'm glad you find it a gift and I'm glad you got activated and in good ways. So

absolutely. So let's start by talking about your background and how you got into doing this type of quantum research.

well, uh, it's a long story. I think it's sort of the fabric of who I am is why I'm doing this work. So I was lucky to have a family that was supportive of following my dream. I think my parents really. respect that. And even though what I'm doing is rather different than what a lot of people might find normal, um, and my family was very supportive of the sciences.

So I had a good start with parents that appreciated education. So I studied physics at UC Berkeley and that, of course, based on my [00:04:00] ability to, I'm sort of a mystic at heart. And so when I studied quantum physics, I noticed that it's very receptive to observation, not just the way they describe it, but the way I was interacting with it in college.

I could actually just ask, like, what's the answer to this quantum physics problem, and feel and know an answer to it. So maybe that was a unique experience on my part. I don't know, but it showed me this is quite activating and quite real, in more recent years when I started noticing reality does change, it does shift when, I believe it's because of us as pure consciousness observing. Um, so when consciousness itself, that's us, changes the physical world, that's when we notice things appearing, disappearing, transforming, and transporting. So that was my original foray into this whole area and recognizing I needed to start sharing information. Back in the 1990s, that's when I I had the first edition of my book, Reality Shifts, came out [00:05:00] as a spiral bound notebook and I would teach workshops about that, small ones, because back at that time there wasn't that much information really.

The internet was brand new. There weren't really websites to share information, so it wasn't really a possibility for something like a collective alternate memory experience, such as the Mandela Effect. I don't think that could have come out until the 2000s when the ubiquitousness of the and social media made it possible for people to share online, wait a minute, I remember things differently.

Um, that's when I think I want to do the shout out to Art Bell that I make in my book. Because he really, I believe, was the first one to get flooded with notifications that Nelson Mandela was, um, you know, he had died, as people remembered it, but then suddenly, mysteriously, he's alive again? What happened? so, that was, um, even though Art Bell got those phone calls and got those faxes, didn't really [00:06:00]popularize the term Mandela Effect. That, uh, credit is given to Fiona Broome, who just happens to be the one who gave it that wonderful name. But I've been tracking this phenomenon most of my life, um, as a child, in the 60s and 70s, noticing these reality shifts, finally writing about them myself after a kundalini awakening that I experienced in the 1990s.

So, that's, I think all these things matter, as well as other stuff, but I know we just have a short time, so I'm

Yes.

a very compact introduction,

Right. But it was really concise. And, and what I appreciate so much with your work, if somebody is listening and they might think like, Oh, quantum science, like this is not relevant to me. I'm a spiritual seeker. I'm, I don't, don't care about physics, physics, you know, it's in, in the sciences that it's such an interesting intersection, because like you say, it's, it's all around consciousness and this.

[00:07:00] it's, it's seeing how we're all connected and how there's not one absolute reality and the, you can't take the observer out of it. So just by, just by even, even if we don't feel like we're participating in something, just because we, we notice it, we change it. And that's. Phenomenal. You know, we, I've always understood reality to be fixed and, and that, you know, I'm just witnessing this objectively, you know, for if, unless I'm actually personally interacting with something, but, but let's step back a little bit with the Mandela effect, because that might be a new term for people and you, you've kind of explained it's, it's around different memories of things, but, um, But let's talk about what the Mandela effect is.

And then you've in your book, you give some really fascinating examples of how, the, and which blew my mind [00:08:00] because I was born in the seventies and there were so many things that I grew up with. Like I. I feel in my bones is what I experienced as a child. And then I'm reading your book and I'm like, what, you know, and looking on the internet and that's not what it was.

How is, how is this possible? So, so let's start by what it is.

Okay, so I mentioned briefly in the preamble that collective alternate memories would be my preferred way to describe the so called Mandela effect. So it's something that we notice, um, that there could be a group of people that are collectively remembering, as with Nelson Mandela, didn't he die in the 1980s, would be what Fiona Broome was noticing at that DragonCon conference.

And other people agreed, like, yeah. I think he did. Well, wait a minute. he became president of South Africa. he obviously didn't die in the 1980s because he's still with us, thank goodness. And, um, so that's [00:09:00] one big example. Now, I'll get in my book, of course, I describe why it is that a lot of people, especially residents of South Africa would not notice this. And it's a very aspect of the quantum aspect of this whole phenomenon. Basically, I'll just say what it is. It's a quantum Zeno effect. So, it's like the watched pot never boils. If you happen to live in a place where you're constantly observing what's going on, you won't be as likely to notice. It's a huge, it's like a timeline jump or a timeline shift, um, as much as you would if you look away, look back, like those of us who don't live in South Africa. And so we're not really, it's not on our mind each and every day, like who's the president of South Africa. So that's why. Now for a lot of people, big changes would involve internationally, um, things like movies, like Snow White has a very famous, uh, that's a cartoon that Disney popularized. There's a story. Where the witch is looking in a mirror, and she says something. Something mirror on the wall, [00:10:00] who's the fairest of them all? And I think, I'm mentioning this one because it's a big one internationally, so wherever people are in the world, probably heard this. And so, I don't know about you, but I remember mirror, mirror on the wall,

Mirror, mirror.

them all?

Yeah.

Yes.

And it shows up in lots of things that, um, indicate lots of other people remember that too, like ad campaigns will pick up mirror, mirror on the wall. Now the Disney movie has never had it be mirror, mirror on the wall. It's only ever been magic mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest of them all? And people might say, well, that's not that big a deal.

So then we can look at other things that affect everybody. And some of the big ones there would be physiology, anatomy. Inside our bodies. the heart used to be farther to the left than it is now. I guess it's still slightly to the left. Some people notice it seems like it's on the move. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.

Very funny part of this whole phenomenon. but anyway, um, back decades [00:11:00] ago, I remember having seen, and I was recently reminded of, um, targets that people would put on fencing dummies, for example. So if you're learning to fence with something that looks like a wavery sword thing, and you're wearing the little mask over the face and the little white combat suit, and you're dancing around with your, your fencing apparatus, be aiming for the heart on the target dummy.

The heart was placed, obviously, to the left, just like some shooting ranges also had the heart to the left. Now, the heart, as I was mentioning, is much closer to the center. It's still slightly to the left, but not very much. And so that's one big change that a lot of people notice. Some people have Memories of going to get blood pressure taken and being told we can't wait.

It's more accurate if we take into account the fact that the heart is closer to the left arm. So we're going to get a stronger reading on that arm and so forth.

Well, I remember too, in middle school or in elementary school, we had to do the pledge of allegiance. So you stand up, I can't remember if it was every morning or Monday mornings or [00:12:00] whatever. Put your hand over your heart and it was the upper right quadrant of the chest. Like I remember this so vividly, you wouldn't put it in the center of the body and it was very deliberate.

Put it over your heart.

Yeah, we'd use our right hand and put, which, um, it might naturally fall on the left side and the teachers would indicate, like you're suggesting, they'd be really taking the teaching moment, that the heart is slightly to the left of center, so put your right hand over a little bit to the left, not in the center, but a little to the left. And you're right, now it's different. So that's a big one. Kidneys have also moved. If you remember the kidney punch from martial arts and boxing, that would be a very specific location. It's also the same place. If you protect your kidneys, putting your hands behind the lower back is where most of us remember. That's where they used to be. they've moved up under the relative safety of the ribcage, so they're much higher than they used to be. Um, they're still, [00:13:00] degree that some people going for surgery that the surgery changed. The doctor used to, um, enter through the back and now it's through the front because the ribcage is totally in the way.

Um, it's just weird. You know, things that you wouldn't expect would change are very different. Um, maybe they're, I don't know exactly how they do the surgery, but I did hear from a woman who told me that changed for her, that she had always gone to have her kidneys checked, to do, um, updates. I guess she had a kidney situation going on. So, instead of being easier to access when they're down lower, they've moved up, so it made it trickier. And that was the same week that she came to hear me talk about that. And she was just blowing away, like, wait a minute, this is crazy. I thought I just misremembered something. It was so weird when I went to the doctor this last week. So, very

Wow. Yeah. So we have these, these anatomical ones and, and we're not talking about the evolution of our species. This is happening [00:14:00] in very short order. Like. Within, you know, a lifetime,

Right.

you know,

Right, and then things, uh, geography changes. People notice things. Again, it's not going to be so strong right where you live, but if you don't live too close to, The Straits of Gibraltar, for example, then some of us remember Straits made sense because Gibraltar was an island. Now it's not an island, it's sort of a peninsula.

A whole bunch of things hit differently when you look at the geography having supposedly, it seems like it changed. And then people notice strange things with Sicily seeming a lot bigger these days. being slightly differently located. New Zealand seems to scoot all around Australia. um, but again, if you don't live in New Zealand, I would expect if you live in New Zealand, it's like, no, it doesn't move. fair enough. for a lot of the rest of us, it does. And then even the location in the Milky Way, that seems to have changed. A lot of people remember Carl Sagan pointing at a point on [00:15:00] the map of the galaxy showing You know that we are right here in the far far outer reaches. Now it seems like we're moving much more towards center, very interesting.

So in other words, everything's fair game. I'm not mentioning yet the, the big ones that people talk about with Berenstein Bears and Baron Stain and products like Jiffy Peanut Butter that we remember. But it's only ever been Jif and Baron or Steam Bears has only been Baron Stain. some of these things. are very odd. And then all the movie dialogue, so many, so many things in movies have changed what we clearly remember. Songs have changed. have changed. You know, art has changed. And sculptures and statues have changed. So it's almost like there's no, there's no area that isn't, um, affected, basically, by these changes that we're

right. And, and another interesting thing with this whole phenomenon is, you know, a lot of the things that you say where it's [00:16:00] like. No, it's not Berenstain. It's obviously Berenstein. Like I remember that so clearly. I know that the Fruit of the Loom, uh, yeah, Fruit of the Loom, you know, logo had a cornucopia and it apparently never has had it.

Um, but not everybody remembers it the same way. So this is another aspect of the phenomenon where some people are really adamant. So one for me is Froot Loops.

mm.

there are people who. that it's F R O O T loops. And I distinctly remember at one point, I think I was in middle school and I looked at the cereal box and I was surprised that they spelled it that way because I had seen Fruit Loops my whole life and never noticed that they didn't spell it F R U I T.

So that's one where I'm like, no, I know it's always been, well, at least from that point forward, from when I was, you know, a teenager. forward. But again, I was surprised when I [00:17:00] noticed it, but I figured it was an oversight like, oh, I just never looked at it closely, you know, and that's what I think some people, some people who have a hard time accepting that this is a possibility, that there are changes, you know, that history is changing right in front of our eyes.

They're saying that, you know, no, I, I don't remember it that way, or I'm willing to just accept that I misremember, I didn't remember it correctly and it must have always been this way. So, but there, there are, it's not like the whole population agrees. That the, about the, the difference in history.

Yes, and I delve into that with the book about the Mandela Effect in society and talk about instead of, um, idea of solipsism from philosophy, where it's sort of like you're sort of falling into this thing of thinking that everything's kind of one way and you're, it's, it's like sort of a logical error. We have much more of a Copernicanism looks like it's going on. [00:18:00] So there are many. central points of consciousness. So we'll see the universe, the cosmos, from our perspective. So it looks like there may not be one consensus objective reality. Instead, it looks like there are a multitude of subjective realities, which means that the way that we see things matters.

And that's where it starts getting spiritual, because that's That's what the great teachers and great spiritual leaders have been talking about. That's what the perennial philosophy is all about. As within, so without. When you're fear based, you'll be almost attracting, like Law of Attraction. If you're fear based, you'll be seeing the things you're afraid of, if you're love based and asking my favorite question, how good can it get, then you'll be drawing things that you're much more likely to enjoy.

Hmm. Well, while we're on the topic of the Mandela effect there, I was shocked by, [00:19:00] um, one particular story of the Black Tom explosions from, um, prior to World War I. And the fact that this is not like a, you know, something that we all know, like Hiroshima, for example. Um,

Yeah,

it, it,

like the question that you might be asked is what was the first attack on American soil, right? That's

right.

okay, the foreign, first foreign attack on American soil. And, I think I would have answered the way it sounds like you would have answered, saying, um, yeah, it would be, um, well, I don't know what you

Pearl Harbor, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's

Yeah.

guessed. And we would both be wrong, according to history, the way it's always been. So I'm just putting that there for listeners. Get that moment of what? Now, you gave a clue. You mentioned the Black Tom, but if people are like us, they probably never heard of the Black Tom explosions.

I know I never did recently. So go ahead. I didn't mean to get so

No, no, no. It was just a lead in to, I mean, I [00:20:00] don't, and you can share a little bit about what the Black Tom explosions were, but this is another like mind blowing aspect of how, you know, this, if, if I had learned this in school, I would have thought it would just have been a major thing that was common knowledge.

That's what I would think too. These explosions were basically There's a whole bunch of aspects that are weird about this story. Like you said, it happened a long time ago. Um, before, so it was an early attack on, on U. S. soil, which kind of ended up, um, I think it was by some saboteurs, I guess they were Germans, um, in America, setting off explosives that damaged, and they ended up being, um, in such a huge boom explosion that was heard through nearby New York City and all across, I guess, New Jersey and it actually damaged the Statue of Liberty.

[00:21:00] Now that's, this, this whole thing is starting to get like, wait a minute, what, wait, what,

Right. Yeah.

and weirder.

Yeah.

be kidding me. Something damaged the Statue of Liberty? that never, I mean, the, all of these are quite newsworthy in and of themselves. First attack on U. S.

oil. Something like a boom that just shook buildings like there was an earthquake and it was felt in New York and all across the eastern seaboard and But this thing damaging the Statue of Liberty right there. I'm thinking okay would have heard about this I would think it should have been in the history books like and of course America got involved because there'd been that Black Tom explosion so, and it stepped up security on the, you know, east coast of America, which I may have been a bit lax.

I don't know how the whole thing happened, but it seems like the history is completely missing. I never learned that history in school,

Right.

you didn't either.

No, no, it's really, really fascinating, um, the whole [00:22:00] concept and we've been talking about the collective Mandela effects, but then there are personal ones where people have, you know, maybe we think of them as glitches in the matrix or, you know, where we suddenly notice something and then it's gone again and then we notice it again.

And you have some great examples of this in your book, but can you talk a little bit about How we can have our own personal Mandela effects.

Absolutely, this is what I was calling Reality Shifts and to find out, oh good, somebody else called it that too, and so shout out to PMH Atwater who wrote a book, Future Memory, Chapter 2 is all about Reality Shifts. these are what I was calling Reality Shifts and I think that's a perfectly valid name for it because it seems like, um, you'll just be in your house and maybe one day You'll notice a light switch or a faucet or something operates differently.

For me, it was a closed timer dial. So I had, you know how you build up muscle memory, motor memory? So if you do [00:23:00] a certain repetitive action, if not thousands of times, that um, it's just weird if suddenly you can't do that action anymore because the device is no longer where your body thinks it should be. To me, that's one of the strongest indicators something has changed. Something big has changed. So it's not just you being forgetful. Um, but I've had that happen. In my book, Reality Shifts, I talk about the doors on my car and then, um, they would come unlocked and then be locked. It was just weird.

Nobody's tampering with it. This was a very old car. Prior, it was like a 1980's car, so it did not have automatic door locks. There was no button that would make them pop up. And so that was very strange. And then in the same book, Reality Shifts, I described a bird feeder that had been, you know, changing between empty and full. And there were no, there's no way birds could be refilling the feeder or, you know, the whole thing was like, what the heck? So those are big ones. I've had so many personal [00:24:00] ones. I've had downright miraculous shifts that have happened to me, like experiencing a flat tire while driving and feeling the, so many symptoms of the flat tire experience. I knew which tire it was, because not only did I hear it went POW, kind of a bang sound, then the steering wheel pulled in the dead tire direction. The right front tire, um, and it was going thwop, thwop, thwop, and I could hear it when I rolled the windows down from the right front. I'm saying all this because, you know, um, I, I could hardly believe what happened next.

So, I was going to be late. At the time, I was asking, just sort of in a meditative state, how good can it get, how good can it get, and then pow, thwop, thwop, thwop, and I'm like,

It could definitely get better.

This is so funny. So I'm a good hearted person. I'm like, okay, well maybe late to my appointment. This is not cool But okay, I'll keep asking how good can it get park the car get out of the car go take a look at this I do have a spare tire in the back, [00:25:00] but I'm gonna get Now I, I'm just resigned to the fact, I'm going to get dirty, I'll be greasy, I can't drive in a flat tire, so it's going to, I'll be late, everything, like, okay, fine, I accept all that. then I go and look at this situation, and the tire looks fine, so I just kicked it, like, I don't, now I know why people kick tires. Like, what am I going to do? I go sit back down in the driver's seat, and I think, I can't drive this car, it's got a flat tire. So I get back out and inspect it a second time, because I just can't believe my eyes, or my foot, you know. It feels fine, looks fine. well, now I'm, what do I do? It was confusing. And I thought, well, I'll drive slowly. And if I hear it go thwap, thwap, then obviously, I just missed something. I'll pull over again. So I'm listening intently. There's no more thwap, thwap. There's no pulling to the right. So I get to where I'm going. I get out, look at the tire. It's fine. I come back home, look at the tire. It's fine. I'm really confused so I asked my husband could you please, I don't tell him what happened, I just ask him, I think something's wrong with the tire pressure on the car, could you check it please? So [00:26:00] after a while he comes back in the house and says, well it's a good thing you mentioned that three of those tires were low. I said, three of the tires? What about the fourth? He said, yeah, the front right tire was perfect. And I'm like, no!

My gosh.

How good can it get?

Wow. That it's phenomenal. I mean, I have my, my own kind of glitches in the matrix that come to mind as I was reading your book. Um, one being when, and both of them were kind of on the edge of sleep. So either coming out of sleep or, or kind of like, you know, Being in and out of sleep. One of them was my cat jumped up on my bed Which is funny because of the scene in the matrix with the glitch

Yes.

the where the cat goes by twice from the same direction

Right.

But my cat jumped up on the bed and woke me enough For me to feel her jump exactly the same way a second time, like within a couple of seconds, but it was like, I woke up to her jumping on the [00:27:00]bed and then felt her jump on the bed and she hadn't jumped down and jumped back on.

It was the exact same thing again.

Yes.

And so that was one. And another one was like, I can't even remember what happened. I had to get up and like turn a light off, but I had been asleep. And then I got up and hit the light switch. And I. And I kind of woke up and, and was walking back to my bed, but it was a weird sensation of like, I'm not sure, like, I know it was correct that I had to hit the light switch or maybe I was turning a fan on or fan off or something, but I, it was like, I came, I just kind of woke up and was like, okay, I just turned that light switch and I'm walking now, but I don't really know how I got to the standing position.

And that was a similar feeling of like, yeah. Where was I? Why, why did my body move, but like I wasn't in there moving type of [00:28:00] thing, but, but how do you, what is your theory about what happens in the case of like your tire, for example?

That, I'm sharing with you a mind, that was a mind blower for, even for me. I mean, I

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, but I've seen spontaneous remissions, what people would call miracles. And so my explanation for it is that it looks like literally we're capable of moving to an adjacent, if you want to call it a timeline, or an adjacent, um, alternate Wigner bubble.

Um, there's, on the cover of the book, Mandela Effect and its Society, I've got these two spheres. held in my hand, like two crystal balls, representative of two bubbles. I'm pronouncing it Wigner because Eugene Wigner, you know, he spoke German. So, basically, he was the one who was saying, um, like, wouldn't it be interesting if there's a difference between an observer who's watching an experiment, like there's a scientist [00:29:00] watching the scientist sort of thing. So one scientist is Observing whether a cat inside of a sealed box is alive or dead. And I get into the physics of that in the book, um, because that's an actual Schrödinger's cat experiment. People have heard of the Schrödinger's cat. Is it alive? Is it dead? Um, in this, according to Erwin Schrödinger, it could be both.

If it's connected to a quantum system. that's where people thought, Erwin, Erwin, you're crazy. can a cat be both dead and alive inside of the box? That's crazy. But Erwin said, that's the reason I'm saying this because that's how quantum physics is behaving. As if, until you observe it, the system is in a superposition of states.

It's just as crazy as that. was making that point, and then upon opening the box, the system collapses into either the cat is alive, hopefully, or maybe dead. not. So, and then there's an observer of first, like Erwin Schrodinger. So if Eugene Wigner is [00:30:00] watching Erwin Schrodinger opening the box, Erwin was proposing a very interesting thought experiment.

At the time he proposed it, there was no way to test it. his thought experiment was, what if I, Erwin Schrodinger, or somebody else, observes, um, Wigner, observes, Erwin Schrodinger. I know these names are German and they're confusing me. But if the, the, if, if you've got the two observers and one's closer to the cat and one's farther, what if they're getting two different observations?

Is that possible? And, and Eugene was asking that kind of question the way physicists do, not to be a troublemaker, but to encourage investigation. In the year 2019, this is It's an experiment along the lines of this, um, Wigner, um, proposal was tested, and indeed the two observational devices at the same place, at the same time, did in fact two different things. So this is in keeping with the fact that it's possible for [00:31:00] somebody to say, um, I remember Nelson Mandela dying in the 1980s, and of course, I, Cynthia, also remember, yes, he was president of South Africa. And so there's a duality. I can remember both realities, whereas someone that lived in South Africa perhaps might only remember one. And this is just at the heart of everything is this basic, intrinsic subjectivity, which is that Copernicanism at the heart of reality itself. So it doesn't look like there's only one fixed reality. This is good news if you believe in miracles. That means you can get, um, a very terrible diagnosis from a doctor feel like, that's okay.

I remember that quantum jumps and reality shifts are possible. Miracles happen. So I'm going to stay positive anyway. And I think people that do stay positive, there's been a lot of evidence, as I share in my book, Quantum Jumps, that they experience really good results. People who have a sense of faith tend to [00:32:00] do better with the placebo effect, for example. that's indicating you get miracles if you believe in miracles. So it's very interesting.

It definitely is. And that's one of the interesting things too with your books is that there are practical, you give practical exercises on how people can tune into this more as more than an observer, you know, within their own lives.

Yeah. Yeah, because you can, the observer is interesting. And there's a power to observation, as I just suggested. The observer itself. It's a very key rule, and so part of being active in your life is to start observing yourself from a higher vantage point. So even just a simple meditation, or a simple, one exercise I have in the book, The Mandela Effect and Its Society, is something called Iliism, it's sort of, uh, an idea, I think it came from philosophy originally, that you can a psychological [00:33:00] practice, but you can talk about yourself in third person, like today, Cynthia woke up, and right when she was waking up, she started the day by thinking how good can it get, just remembering to do that first thing, because it does make a big difference, then sort of checked in, like what's happening today, sort of review. So I'm talking about Cynthia, so if I was journaling, I might journal myself that way. And you might think, okay, what's the difference there? Big difference. Because if I'm talking about Cynthia in third person, while journaling, I wouldn't recommend doing this with your friends or your family. It starts sounding like, what? It's more something to do with your private thoughts. goal is to step back and step back and practice noticing and observing that there are levels of conscious agency to you. And this, um, ultimately gets into some of the deep, like, Buddhist practices of, like, the Diamond Sutra where, I mean, that would be the end point for this kind of a thing, where you just keep jumping back, jumping back, jumping back, until [00:34:00] almost like, who are you?

And you're no longer a lifetime, a body, or a being. That's pretty fancy stuff, but in my book, I keep it really simple. Just, just talk about yourself third person, get one step above, so you can sort of see yourself Um, as the actor on the stage of life and the observer both. you're claiming the observational role by the meditative practice. And something as simple as just thinking of yourself occasionally as a third person. Like, I Cara woke up and I noticed my body was already moving around. That's weird. Or, Cara noticed her body was already moving around. So you'd be doing it that way. And you might get some additional insights into what was going on in that moment. It can definitely bring you closer to the state of consciousness that was involved at the time that particular experience happened.

Wow, it's, and all of this is kind of begging the conversation about parallel realities and [00:35:00] the idea that we have one reality that we're aware of in our human consciousness, but there are other kind of versions that come from choice points that we've made where we have, we've, we feel that we've made a choice, but really we've both have happened.

Can you talk a little bit about timelines? And I also love, I've heard you talk about pruning the lower alternative realities. And I think that's really important too. So I want to be sure to get to that, but let's kind of start with just the concept of parallel timelines.

Yeah, um, if it's, I'll just share a story from inside Mandela Effect and its society, because I love this one with Carl Jung. I think people know Carl Jung. He's a famous psychologist. I think he had a, what I would, I think it qualifies as a Mandela effect, a personal one. But he was with his friend, Tony Wolfe, and she was there with him when they visited Ravenna, Italy. They were going to look at the Baptistry of Ravenna, and they [00:36:00] arrived in an octagonal kind of a room with soft blue lighting and beautiful, um, huge, unforgettable mosaics depicting um, scenes from, Christianity and biblical scenes like, um, Moses crossing the Red Sea, and the baptism of, uh, John, I think John the Baptist, and then there was a scene with Jesus, so there were all these very spiritual scenes, and, Carl Jung was talking to his friend Tony Wolfe about them.

He was just entranced, and so he was talking out loud as he was noticing the symbology, and how each of these scenes depicted water. This seemed really important. He's noticing, look, there's water, water, water, and the lights kind of blew in here, and He was just so amazed. he and Tony both remember this quite clearly. And then, um, when they returned back home, um, I think he mentioned to some friends that were going to Italy, like, hey, you might want to check out that baptistry in Ravenna. And when you're there, could you pick up a postcard? I neglected to do that. And those [00:37:00] mosaics are incredible. They're six by eight feet big.

They're huge. They're meaningful. They're profound. know, I just was so affected by them, I love them, but I didn't think to have a postcard to remember them by. the friends were confused when they arrived in Ravenna and said there's no such thing as, there's no postcard. There aren't none of these mosaics you're talking about. And so that's the point where I think Carl was checking with his friend Tony Wolfe, like, you remember that, right? And she said, yes, you talked like 20 minutes about these things. You were just blown away by them, as was I. So, yeah, of course. So this, um, I'm mentioning this is such a powerful example, and I love it, because it was in the 1930s. this is, I think the Mandela Effect goes back farther than the Internet, is my point. Okay, so anyway, so Carl Jung is just amazed by this whole thing. And he's witnessing something which, to him, reminds him of some of the ideas he then talked about. So of course he sees it from a Carl Jungian perspective.

I know if he heard about the Mandela Effect, [00:38:00] he'd have some amazing things to say right now. But, but let's look at his experience from that. That timeline sort of like a decision point thing. was going on with that? Um, I, I consider Carl Jung to be a psychonaut who didn't need drugs. He was checking out consciousness itself, like I like to do.

I don't need drugs either. And so for those of us who love that sort of thing, we're going to experience weird stuff. Like, Carl Jung is the father of the word synchronicity, um, because he was noticing weird stuff. Like, really weird. And so this would be right up there, right up his alley. And I do notice a connection with these timeline changes and the choices we make and our levels of conscious agency and observational awareness. So I think Carl Jung, if he was alive today, he'd agree with me. Yeah, this is definitely indicative of different levels of consciousness. And I think Carl would agree that he had the desire, like I do, to know the true nature of consciousness. I know he was on that path. [00:39:00] So he's going, I think he would agree, like, yeah, so I'll, that's a decision point that was made at such a level that you don't even think of it as a, as affecting much of your life.

Boy, does it have a big effect. So, these deep intentions that we live our lives according to. change everything. So that's a huge thing. And so it would even change, because you might say, like, well, he didn't really set out to have a weird experience in Ravenna. No, but I think he wanted to have an initiatory experience of consciousness.

And I think, that would be a pre set in his intentionality. And I've got those too. I think most of us have those. But, um, I think that's sort of Answering that first question, but I love your other question. I do want to address it too, about timeline printing.

Yes. Yeah. Because you, you have a very, and since I've heard you, um, speak about pruning lower timelines, I have adopted this as well because I think it's so important. So I would really love for you to share [00:40:00] how you try to kind of cultivate the highest timeline for yourself.

Yeah, well, first I'll go a little into what it is and why and a little background on like what, why do I care so much about that? And I'll describe what it is. Okay, so timelines are like a tree. If you think of a tree with the branches being the future and the roots being the past, sort of a, I'm doing the hand thing. Branches and roots. So if you're, if you're growing a bonsai tree, I love miniatures, and if you're growing a tiny little tree, which I don't have, but they're cute, they're a lot of work. But if you have such a thing, you're going to need to care for it regularly. You're going to need to tend to its roots, to prune its roots, and so you remove it from the dirt, and you're pruning its little roots, those are its connections to the soil, and you'd also want to prune its, um, branches. And he placed it back in his little pot. to me this is very similar to, I feel tiny in my little human body. I don't know about you, but I feel like I'm so much bigger than fits in myself.

[00:41:00] Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of exciting.

I feel like there's a version of me that It doesn't get out much and now it's like, yay, I'm here. So I can just live a regular life and I don't need to travel. I don't get bored because to me every day is like, wow.

Yeah.

Which is kind of bizarre. Okay, so there's that fun aspect of it. Um, and you might still wonder, well, why do I care about pruning it?

Okay, well, remember, in a tiny little body, so, want to make the best of it, and the most of it. And, okay, uh, and then the other thing is, I do life coaching, and I'm working with people, plus I write books, and I have a website, and all, I'm an influencer, more than I realize. um, I do know that, uh, it's, if I'm having, if I'm suffering, let's put it that way, from, negative thoughts, negative feelings.

There's a higher likelihood I'll be inadvertently passing that on without meaning to, to all kinds of people. I sure don't want to be any part of that. So that [00:42:00] was the huge motivation, is recognizing that these kind of negative thought forms, and here's an easy way to think of them. They're kind of, if you look at the seven deadly sins, which would be sloth and envy and and vanity, and greed, and lust.

I can't remember them all, but you get the idea. Um, when I look at those, it's like, hey, there's a short list of what not to do.

Yeah.

Because, and it's not just what not to do, but it's how about, if I prune my tree, so that there's no more, um, activation signal from any of these. Um, they look like dead ends to me.

And you might wonder, why are they dead ends? Well, some are more obvious, perhaps, than others. And so I think we have blind spots to the ones that we have weaknesses for. So you might think, what's wrong with pride? I do a good job. Well, some people say that's the worst of all of those. Excuse me to laugh, but that could be the worst.

So maybe it's always better to be humble and to always recognize there by the grace of God go I. That could be me, whoever it is, so that you're never [00:43:00] better than someone. Instead, you have that humility built right in. To me, that seems like a good one, so I definitely want to prune any timelines that have any, any signal or any temptation to fall into pride. Like, oh, look how great I am. I don't want any part of that, so I just prune that right off. um, similarly, you can do that with any temptation for greed. And you might think, what's wrong with money? Money's good. Sure it is. Greed's different. Each of these has an energy, and if you start tuning into the energy behind them, you'll notice.

Oh, oh, wait a minute. I don't want that. That's what we're talking about. It's like, it's when greed just sort of grabs hold of you. Like, it's like an addiction. These seven deadly sins, and there are hundreds of analogous Buddhist torments. You can get, those too. Just anything that looks like Buddhist torments and deadly sins, like, okay. I don't want any activators that trigger into those areas. don't want to be lazy with [00:44:00] sloth. I don't want to be vain and all stuck up on having to look perfect, um, or appear to be perfect, or anything like that. So, that was what I was doing. And what I find is that it's much easier for me to be unafflicted by news events, um, much, much more so than I would be otherwise. I obviously, if I hear bad news, I'll be, I'll be, um, I'll feel terrible about whatever bad news of the day I might hear, but it's not going to grab me and, and get me all caught up in drama the way that it might otherwise have done if I was feeling, um, outraged, you know, by things feeling terrified or just falling into, um, you know. A feeling of being victimized. So, those are indicators of a drama triangle, which I also make sure to clear, so that I'm not getting stuck. Emotions are fine. I can feel frightened. I can feel sad. I can feel angry. But those need to pass, instead of me [00:45:00] locking onto them playing a very inadvertent role in making the drama worse on planet Earth. So, much better just to be a gentle presence.

Right. And when you, so from a practical perspective of this pruning, is it when, like, first of all, starting with the awareness of, okay, I want to, you know, limit my, my interactions with these types of, you know, let's say the seven deadly sins or these potentialities for expressions of myself, and then recognizing as they're coming in.

As the opportunities are coming in, or is it, is it even more kind of quantum than that? Like less practical, you know?

I do a lot of background work, so a lot of, um, my how good can it get is a starting, um, the starting position, because I know that chaos theory and quantum theory go together, and it's all about the starting conditions, so these first initial [00:46:00] conditions of what if I wish the best for all concerned, which I do, what if I've been wishing that is my birthday wish every day, I've had a birthday since I was 10, and then every day always which I do, that changes everything. It literally, you may not see it right away, but it's going to have a very powerful effect. So I'm not just wishing how good can it get for me personally, really how good, how God can it get. It's like how, how, how can this goodness, which is the preeminent goodness from the source consciousness, be felt everywhere?

How can I see That it's only ever just me and God. You know, how God can I get? So I'm calling it in. a very deep thing. And then the pruning is just an awareness, like, okay, I've got some vulnerabilities. I'm human, so I've sometimes occasionally believed when people told me, you got to hurry, you got to rush, you got to do this before someone beats you to it, or something. That's crazy. But I did actually used to fall into a fearfulness about that. [00:47:00] Or, I think people would be bored with what I'm doing, or what I'm doing doesn't matter, you know, just lots of things that are very subtle, but I can see those are pruning points that should not be affecting me one way or the other, so I just prune those off, and I can, if, on a practical side, and here I'll get, this may sound weird, but I can, I can feel the presence of what you might call angels or demons, um, and you can think of them as thought forms too.

You can just say like, okay, I'm feeling a, and what is the difference between the two? Huge. It's enormous. are basically always smiling like she's got this. If she needs help, she would ask, and she's not asking. I'm like, are you kidding me? Okay. Demons are just, let's make a deal. You look like you're suffering. In fact, let's push all your buttons at once to make sure you know you're suffering. Oh, you're suffering. You're really suffering. Now the only way through it is you've got to do this one thing. Or, let's make a deal, or all these other little things. And those are thought forms engaging. When I've done a good [00:48:00] job trimming my tree so that there's no activation point for greed or envy or any of that stuff, pride, they don't have an action, an activation point. And then I can just quietly ask, how good can it get? Yes, I do need assistance as always. If I'm in a physical body, I need help. I know I need to keep asking. I'm asking. You know, thank you for showing me how good this today can get for all concerned, you know. Because

Hmm.

really what I'm wishing. And these, for me, the deep, deep, deep work is very powerful. And it has a long term and a lasting and a transformative effect. you can also try this on a smaller scale, just for one day at a time. what I would do if I was new to this. I'd say, well, this could be crazy. This could go in a bad direction. Let's just try a little bit. So I'll just try pruning or two. Like, I don't want to be an evil version of Cynthia, so I'll just prune the evilness off. And I'll say, okay. Ultimate Goodness and Source and Oneness and Creator. Please make sure that that evil version of Cynthia [00:49:00] never manifests in the world.

So,

Hmm.

that you can do. And it

I love that.

that spiritual grounding. Yeah,

where you just recognizing the. The power that you have in the life that you've built the life that you've created and the connector points. You have a lot of connector points. You have a lot of influence. You, you know, a lot of people read your books, a lot of people, um, connect with your content and it goes back through the past for several years.

So from the quantum perspective, you have. You have this like invisible connect invisible to humans, like connection that it really is reflective of if you let yourself spiral down, all of the, all of those connector points move with you in your [00:50:00] creation, but there are external and seemingly external to yourself points in that reflection of you in your creation.

So I would be seemingly outside of you. And however connected we are, you know, it, it, from a quantum perspective can affect me too. But likewise, as you lift yourself and you, you know, let that God light in, you're lighting yourself up. And then because we're connected, I'm getting lit up too. And, and it's just this beautiful, beautiful thing, but it's amazing that, you know, it's just a beautiful opportunity for us all to recognize.

The responsibility that we have, the opportunity that we have as individuals, but also by virtue of the fact that we're all connected, we're, we're lifting even just through the, the act of wanting to improve ourselves.

Yes, we really are, and it's, it's [00:51:00] so wonderful to recognize that, and I think people who have those near death experiences, that's an exceptional human experience, and then they get to see, quite often, that ripple effect that's happened, where just small things they said totally encouraged a child whose whole life was transformed for the better because of those kind words that one person said. Just, just that adult that took a moment to sit down and review something and, and show such respect and reverence in that moment. For a child who might feel like nobody cared, that can totally change everything. And then in that near death experience, to be able to live it from that other person's perspective, it's like, oh, wow. for those of us who've had that kind of feeling, like, oh, that's what happens for sure, then you know, it just gives you extra. to, okay, I'll do my best to be a positive influence. I'm not perfect, I know, you know, most of us, if we're boots on the ground, we're gonna make some stumbles, of course, step in the mud, trip,

[00:52:00] Yeah,

it happens, but the point is, keep asking, how good can I get, you know, how much of a good influence can we all be with our speech, our words, and our energy, and just the way that we're choosing.

We might think it's invisible, it's not invisible. Everybody's benefiting when we. Make small changes on the inside for ourselves.

right. That's so beautiful. I know we need to wrap up soon. I do want to share just one of the many, many synchronicities, but you're just to reemphasize like the magic. You're there's so much information in the books, but it really goes beyond information. You know, they're very activating. One of the fun, I mean, they were all so fun.

Uh, one turn after another where I was like, I just read this. And now this other thing is showing up in, in outside of the book where now my husband's talking about this tea house that Cynthia was just writing about. And she wrote this book years ago and, and [00:53:00] so forth, but, um, and it's in Colorado and I live in Indiana.

And anyway, um. But one that was so striking was you wrote in the Mandela Effect and its society, um, about the Hopi. There's a Hopi, um, I don't even know what you would call it, not, not a legend, but like a, well, let's just say a Hopi legend, but, um, like their origin story, but even, you know, not the beginning, I guess, but that they were guided.

Out of danger to migrate to another place. And the, and the way that you wrote it was they were guided by a strange cloud during the day and a bright star at night. And as I was reading this, it, there was like kind of a lot of background noise going on while I was reading it. And, and I, as, as I'm reading it, it sort of felt like it came outta nowhere from my, from my perspective.

[00:54:00] It was like, oh, all of a sudden now I'm reading about the Hopi and. And I'd never heard this before this, you know, that they, they migrated and they were following this, this cloud and this bright star. And I kind of didn't get it right away. It was one of those, like, should I go back and read that again?

Because I don't quite understand what it's saying, but I decided to just keep going. And, and, and I was like, I think it'll make more sense as I, as I keep reading. So that very day, that was maybe in the early afternoon. That early evening, I I do a Gaia trial. The T there's a TV streaming service here in America called Gaia.

And it's got all kinds of like, um, spiritual and supernatural, um, content. And I have never streamed it before. And so I, I start the trial, like it's day. One of the trial, I'm not familiar with the [00:55:00]platform. I'm, I don't know what show I want to watch. I, I pick something seemingly out of the air and it was called alien chronicles and it had something about Antarctica in it.

Nothing about indigenous people. It's it's aliens and Antarctica and about three quarters of the way in, out of nowhere, seemingly again, just like. Um, so I was like, why are they talking about the Hopi? And they start talking about the Hopi being led to safety by a strange cloud at night, uh, during the day and a bright star at night.

And I could not believe like three or four hours after I had read that and I've never read that before.

But anyway, that's just one example of the portals that were open for me personally, interacting with your work, which I found just so, so fun and so illuminating [00:56:00] and it's a mysterious world.

It really is. I'm so glad you mentioned that, and to me it's clear what the connection would be with the Antarctica and the ET and the Hopi, because that, especially that particular story, they're talking about going from the third world to this current fourth world, and now a lot of people feel that the top, the importance of Antarctica, of course, has to do with these cycles of like the end of one world and the beginning of the next. And the Hopi talk about the twins at the poles of the planet, and they're holding it together, keeping it, um, the magnetic north and magnetic south. But if they go on the move, then of course we go from one world to the next. And a lot of people notice, it looks like we're ready to be moving from the fourth world to the fifth, and all the signs are there. so I did definitely include it in my book because, and it ties in with the ET topic, Cataclysmic, [00:57:00] apocalyptic topic, because to me, how, what is the toolkit that we've been given to be able to make this the best possible transition from the fourth to the fifth world? The answer is, we're, we're given this possibility and the capability to collectively, um, create, you know, our own reality through the observation of it.

And so that's, where the Mandela Effect awakening from me to we. So we're not just programming a parking spot for me, but we're programming a best possible landing into the fifth world for all of us. that's, of course, why I'm including it in my book, and I can see why a book, you know, a documentary about Antarctica and ETs want to include that.

Because they want people to know, don't worry if and when this starts happening, you'll be guided. Don't worry, don't be afraid. Remember what we're talking about today, Kara and Cynthia, on this show. We're talking about, we have within us the ability to look at something and [00:58:00] select something completely different.

A flat tire can be fine, just fine. It can be the best tire ever. This transition from the fourth world to the fifth doesn't need to be a cataclysmic flood. It doesn't need to be the bright flash with, you know, power outages and all our technology gone. Cancel, cancel. know, is it possible for us to be humble? Generous. You know, all the opposites of the seven deadly sins? Yes, yes, yes. Is it possible for us to be guided by our star family safety? Those who have this technology that they've been sharing with us, that our government has kept secret from us, with, um, you know, secret physics and so forth, where they've concealed it. Uh, yes, it's possible to be assisted by our star family. We are, at all times. But I'm not getting into all that in my book, and I'm just telling you, if you wonder, why are the Hopi in both of these? I'm just saying, that's why.

Yes. Yeah, it did become clear, but it was such a fun. I mean, just again, just from my own reflection of [00:59:00] like, I think it actually like made it more poignant. The fact that I wasn't quite grasping it when I was reading it because, as It, it, it stuck out, you know, it was just like, wait, should I go back and read this?

And then to come across it again in such short order, it was like, there is just one thing happening here and it is, it is just a phenomenal design. Just brilliant.

Yeah we are part of that brilliance. That's the true brilliance. I'm getting goosebumps right now. I hope

Yes, me too. Yes. Yes.

So beautiful.

Yes. Well, Cynthia, I want to respect your time and I know we're coming up to the end of the top of the hour, but thank you so much. How can people connect with your work and find these books that are going to open portals for them?

Yes, well you mentioned Gaia, and I've been interviewed on Open Minds with Regina Meredith. bunch of times, [01:00:00] like a half dozen times, and I'm in a couple of documentaries there. The Enlightenment one and the Quantum Jumping one. So I'm just mentioning that because shout out to Gaia.

Yes.

I've got my website, of course, realityshifters.

com, and that's a good place to find out about my books, Meditation CD, monthly newsletter, which Substack, but every single issue is right there on my RealityShifters. com website. If you want to catch up with everything that's happened so far, you can. And, um, then I've got a YouTube channel, and I've also got a presence on Facebook, and Twitter, or X now, LinkedIn, MeWe, Blue Sky, Alignable. So I'm in a lot of different places, but I think the best is my website. And then I've also got another website. I haven't talked about it here today, but shout out for my 501c3 non profit called the International Mandela Effect Conference. And we do an annual in person [01:01:00] conference. We haven't set the date in place yet for this year. year it was in Nashville, Tennessee in November. And, uh, the year before that, it was in Brantford, Connecticut. then every month, we do live streams. So the website to catch up on what we're doing there would be imec. world, W O R L D. And it's, I'm on the board of directors there. Uh, we also choose, uh, the Golden Mandy winner each year for who's been the most influential with the Mandela Effect. At last year's conference, we had a Ph. D. who just got his Ph. D. in the Mandela Effect.

No kidding.

He presented his research, and all the talks are on our YouTube channel, so you can check that out there. But you'd see that if you go to my website and subscribe to my newsletter. this is covered. So that would be the central location, realityshifters.

com

Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. This has been just as amazing as I was hoping it was going to be. So thank you so much for your presence and everything that you're doing [01:02:00] to uplift humanity. I really, it's been a joy and an honor.

Thank you, Kara. Likewise.

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